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Liver/Body Detox Info for both Pre-Conception & Post-Par

Postby nomore » Aug 15, 2005 10:59 am

Here the start of the detox info I wanted to include here.



IMPORTANT NOTE: Use this a guideline. Detoxes are best preformed under the supervision of a DR. This info is meant to be a guide and overview. Detoxes should NOT be performed by pregnant or nursing women. These detoxes are best for EITHER pre-conception or post-partum.

Detoxing the liver pre-conception has helped some people reduce the severity of HG. The liver acts as a “filterâ€Â
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Postby IslandDreamer » Aug 15, 2005 1:09 pm

Robin, I think you should pin this one. It's a good thread. :wink:
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Postby kalindyjune » Sep 15, 2005 12:35 am

I read somewhere that once you are pregnant there is a way to safely do a little bit of detox. It is not as indepth as a full detox but if you drink a mug of hot water with half a lemon first thing in the morning and last thing at night it is supposed to help clear the liver of excess junk. I've been trying it this pregnancy and I think it might be helping a little.
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Postby nomore » Sep 15, 2005 7:58 am

A mild detox such as you are doing would probably be mild enough for pregnancy :) Im glad you think its helping! Maybe when hot liquids sound appealing I will try it as well!

Thanks for sharing!

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Postby BrandiJK » Jun 04, 2006 11:07 am

another link to add

http://www.detox.org/howto.html

Lots of info on detoxing and finding one that works for you
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Postby Brendel » Oct 22, 2006 1:53 am

Just wanted to let you guys know I websearched Ecliptex. The only website that had anything about it was one for natural treatments for pets :lol: I trust that wasn't the one you meant was it?
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Postby nomore » Oct 22, 2006 9:43 am

Here is some info on Ecliptex. It is not availble directly to the public.

Here is a brief synopsis:

http://www.calvindale.com/formulas/hc-ecliptex.html

And, it is made by a company called:

Health Concerns, Chinese Tradtional Formulas. Here is the website:

http://www.healthconcerns.com/default.cfm

I hope that helps! And, no, this product is NOT for dogs! :)
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Postby nomore » Dec 22, 2006 1:57 pm

Just a bump to show the 1st post has been updated with a LOT of detox info! Please feel free to add anymore detox info you might have, and would like to share with others!!!!!
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Postby Spark » Feb 05, 2007 7:57 pm

Great thread!
Just going to pop this in here, since it's detox/support for the liver.

In Shonda Parker's book Naturally Healthy Pregnancy, she makes some profound (to me anyway!) recommendations about supporting the liver before and during pregnancy to help with HG.

The book is out of print, but here's most of the information from her book about Hyperemisis and morning sickness.

I kept seeing reference to this book on blogs reporting GREAT success following Barker's program. http://naturallyhealthypregnancy.blogsp ... 20Sickness

This is a wonderful book with great info. FYI, the author presents it in a very faith based format:
If morning sickness was a problem during a previous pregnancy, milk thistle extrat (standarized to contian at least 70% silymarin) is of great benefit to aid the liver's functions. Recommened amount: 280 mg per day. Dandelion is a gentler liver stimulant if a milder liver tonic is desired.
(p23)


The Milk Thistle preconception seems to be the most important time to take it, and then continue during pregnancy. I'll just add that during pregnancy info, since the borrowed book is in front of me right now.

I have tried many remedies during my pregnancies - some have worked well, some worked a little, others worked not at all. I had hyperemesis gravidum (vomitting repeatedly, unable to hold anything down) with my eldest child which was medically treated... With my fourth child, I had no morning sickness whatsoever...
I have come to believe through my own experience and the experience of others that the root of the problem for many women is inadequate liver support during a period of greater demands on this vital organ. If moms begin preparing their bodies for pregnancy prior to conception they will have a better chance of avoiding morning sickness (as well as other factors).
(lists morning sickness recommendations)
2. I have found milk thistle (standardized to contain at least 70% - 80% silymarin) to be invaluable in preventing morning sickness. I began taking 2 tablets each day two months prior to this pregnancy and increased to 3 tablets daily when our pregnancy was confirmed. Milk thistle is liver supportive and protective. I feel this is why it worked so well to prevent the nausea and vomiting I have had with every other pregnancy. This would be especially helpful for those mom who vommit bile during pregnancy.

(p170-171)


From her website:
[quote]Morning Sickness
Q.I just wanted to let you know that I am at the beginning of my 7th pregnancy...the 6th one that has gotten a good start....and for the very first time have not experienced the horrible morning sickness and exhaustion that I have with all the others! I believe it is the mercy and blessing of God through the advice that you offer...Entrox, Milk thistle Phytosome and AbsorbAid three times a day with meals along with a good prenatal and calcium. I'm still in total amazement and awe! I only hoped it would really work, but was skeptical until now! I have a friend who tried this as well with her 5th pregnancy with the same astounding results!!! WOW! I can't tell you how grateful I am to be able to be a "normal" mommy to my other children while carrying a new babe!! I had asked many months ago about a different source for the Milk Thistle Phytosome by Natural Factors as well as the Entrox...because I could not obtain those locally. I did find a source for Entrox by NOW that does not have any added Vitamin E. (just an FYI) Also, Enzymatic Therapy makes a Silybin Phytosome that I think is very similar if not the same as the milk thistle phytosome you recommend...and there are a few web sites that sell this brand. I bought mine from Vitamin Shoppe. The NOW Entrox I bought through BetterLife.com. Anyway, just thought I'd let you know so if you have opportunity to pass it along to other moms weary of morning sickness....again, I so appreciate your help! You are an angel! I hope you are thoroughly enjoying your new babe. love, Natalie

A. Natalie, I’m thrilled to hear of other mothers benefiting as I did from these three supplements during early pregnancy “sickâ€Â
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Postby nomore » Feb 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Claire

This is a great addition to this post. I have this book somewhere around my house too. It was a really interesting read.
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Postby Spark » Feb 06, 2007 2:10 pm

Thanks, Robin. I am SO greatful for all that you've posted ever... not just this thread! :D Robin, did you take Milk Thistle during pregnancy?

I actually tracked down a copy of the book (out of print & hard to find for a decent price) just for the hyperemsis info. I thought I'd just save anyone the trouble since this is all the info on Milk Thistle & Dandelion. I really thought Shonda Parker had some great research. Some people may not be comfortable with the amount of Bible references and religious philosophy, but her research & experience is just SO valuable!
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DD1 '04 - M/S till 14 wks, lost 4% of bodyweight, no meds needed
DD2 '06 - Moderate HG 9 mos, lost 16% of bodyweight, limited meds, poorly managed by Dr :(
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Postby nomore » Feb 06, 2007 2:30 pm

I wasnt able to take the milk thistle and dandelion root long with my last pregnancy (only one I knew of this approach), as keeping pills down is one of the 1st problems I have with HG....

But, I did my herbal chinese mixrture which had both Prior to TTC, and then the month we were starting to TTC I swtiched to the milk thistle and dandelion root. I didnt try it later in the pregnancy, as I tend to get scared of if I try this will it rock the boat too badly in the wrong way??? The HG was the best in my last pregnnacy.... I avoided TPN, although still had a huge issue keeping hydrated (mainly as I could get some foods to stay down, but liquids were super hard). I think a longer better detox could of possibly even yielded even better results.

I agree on your assesment of Shonda Parker. I did find all of her info regarding HG though really interesting and defiently encouraging!!!!!!
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Postby Spark » Feb 07, 2007 2:04 pm

rdevine10 wrote:IBut, I did my herbal chinese mixrture which had both Prior to TTC, and then the month we were starting to TTC I swtiched to the milk thistle and dandelion root. ... I think a longer better detox could of possibly even yielded even better results.


Yes, that is the problem of trying to take pills with HG. Just doesn't work! I'm really hoping you're right that the longer detox the better. (I feel like we're having a conversation between these two threads here!)

So, do you know if the Chinese herbs had the 280 mg per day of Milk Thistle/Dandelion with the "at least 70% silymarin"? And were you able to do those herbs for a while? I feel like Dorothy trying to click together my ruby slippers to make everything all better. I find myself hoping you'll say, "Oh, no not nearly enough! If you did 280mg with 70% silymarin for then you'd instantly be HG-free." But... something tells me, while it's fine for me to hope for the Ruby Slippers to work... I'd better also find a good Dr. this time, too!

I hear you on not wanting to rock the boat once things were underway.
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DD1 '04 - M/S till 14 wks, lost 4% of bodyweight, no meds needed
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Postby nomore » Feb 07, 2007 2:15 pm

Just looked at the bottle of detox herbs (I used them post partum as well), and it doesnt tell me the mgs of milk thistle per tablet. I did however take 6 tablets daily for a while. So, I really dont have a clear answer for you.

I can tell you I switched to the MT/DR when TTC as the chinese herbs had some things that were contra-indicated in pregnancy. My Peri agreed that they were Ok for me to use as well.

Alas.... if only there was some surefire guarenteed way to make sure HG wasnt going to happen. :hugs:
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Postby Spark » Feb 07, 2007 8:44 pm

rdevine10 wrote:Alas.... if only there was some surefire guarenteed way to make sure HG wasnt going to happen. :hugs:


Thank you. :hugs: I think I really needed that. :)

Thanks for looking at the bottles!
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DD1 '04 - M/S till 14 wks, lost 4% of bodyweight, no meds needed
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Milk Thistle -before pregnancy and during

Postby Momof6toB » Aug 11, 2008 9:56 am

Wow!! I am so thrilled that people here are talking about milk thistle. :D I had four pregnancies with normal morning sickness, somewhat severe but normal. Then with my last baby I was sick every day until delivery -- lost alot of weight, was on a reglan pump, and B^6 and unisom. I found a midwife through a friend of a friend and she is also an endicrinoligist. She reccomended since I wasn't pregnant yet --but was planning to get pregnant soon to start on a different diet becuase of some thyroid issues, some hypoglycemic issues and other endocrine issues that I might have. We've done blood work and she has reccomended a diet where I eat every two - three hours and eat higher protien, no refined sugar, all to ease the strain on my liver which was overloaded with hormones and blood sugar issues. After I started the diet I found out I'm pregant -- and she has me continuing on the diet- only doing the brewer's diet -- along with two tablets of milk thistle every day , three times a day. 8 glasses of water a day. I haven't noticed feeling icky like a regular detox-- and from what I understand of doses recommended here mine are fairly high, but the first week on the milk thistle I had mild symptoms -- and today this morning I have had no sickness at all --about two weeks of being on it-- I'm about 8 wks pregnant. Her course of action is to continue the dosing as she said-- untill all symptoms are gone -- then go an extra week or so-- and stop the milk thistle. I am shocked at how well it is working. Shocked !! and SOo excited at the thought of a misery free pregnancy. I am also breastfeeding currently my two yr. old-- which she says is fine.. in my own research I have found that milk thistle is rated B for pregnancy so a rather safe herb. And everything I have access to says the same to me-- I would be happy to provide a more medical description of how the milk thistle works or also what books I have looked it up in and what they said, as my tendency is to do research on anything I take especially when pregnant. I'm just so exited that it appears to be working as I was truly dreading being pregnant.
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Liver/Body Detox Info for both Pre-Conception & Post-Par

Postby djsnjones » Dec 02, 2009 12:52 pm

Here are some other suggestions for morning sickness...

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id101.html

And if anyone is interested, here is more info about the Brewer Diet...

http://www.drbrewerpregnancydiet.com/id96.html

Best wishes,
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Re: Milk Thistle -before pregnancy and during

Postby *ks* » May 03, 2010 2:06 pm

Momof6toB wrote:Wow!! I am so thrilled that people here are talking about milk thistle. :D I had four pregnancies with normal morning sickness, somewhat severe but normal. Then with my last baby I was sick every day until delivery -- lost alot of weight, was on a reglan pump, and B^6 and unisom. I found a midwife through a friend of a friend and she is also an endicrinoligist. She reccomended since I wasn't pregnant yet --but was planning to get pregnant soon to start on a different diet becuase of some thyroid issues, some hypoglycemic issues and other endocrine issues that I might have. We've done blood work and she has reccomended a diet where I eat every two - three hours and eat higher protien, no refined sugar, all to ease the strain on my liver which was overloaded with hormones and blood sugar issues. After I started the diet I found out I'm pregant -- and she has me continuing on the diet- only doing the brewer's diet -- along with two tablets of milk thistle every day , three times a day. 8 glasses of water a day. I haven't noticed feeling icky like a regular detox-- and from what I understand of doses recommended here mine are fairly high, but the first week on the milk thistle I had mild symptoms -- and today this morning I have had no sickness at all --about two weeks of being on it-- I'm about 8 wks pregnant. Her course of action is to continue the dosing as she said-- untill all symptoms are gone -- then go an extra week or so-- and stop the milk thistle. I am shocked at how well it is working. Shocked !! and SOo excited at the thought of a misery free pregnancy. I am also breastfeeding currently my two yr. old-- which she says is fine.. in my own research I have found that milk thistle is rated B for pregnancy so a rather safe herb. And everything I have access to says the same to me-- I would be happy to provide a more medical description of how the milk thistle works or also what books I have looked it up in and what they said, as my tendency is to do research on anything I take especially when pregnant. I'm just so exited that it appears to be working as I was truly dreading being pregnant.
Laura in CO


I would love to hear more about your milk thistle dosing throughout your pregnancy. I have had HG with all of my pregnancies. My last pregnancy the HG was the most manageable and I was taking milk thistle 175mg 3x/day. My doctor was not supportive of me taking any milk thistle though. There were some days I would even take up to 4 a day and felt even better, so I know there was some connection with the milk thistle working. I would love to hear of your experience if you don't mind passing on what worked for you.
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Re: Milk Thistle -before pregnancy and during

Postby faithlove » Jun 11, 2011 1:09 pm

Momof6toB wrote:Wow!! I am so thrilled that people here are talking about milk thistle. :D I had four pregnancies with normal morning sickness, somewhat severe but normal. Then with my last baby I was sick every day until delivery -- lost alot of weight, was on a reglan pump, and B^6 and unisom. I found a midwife through a friend of a friend and she is also an endicrinoligist. She reccomended since I wasn't pregnant yet --but was planning to get pregnant soon to start on a different diet becuase of some thyroid issues, some hypoglycemic issues and other endocrine issues that I might have. We've done blood work and she has reccomended a diet where I eat every two - three hours and eat higher protien, no refined sugar, all to ease the strain on my liver which was overloaded with hormones and blood sugar issues. After I started the diet I found out I'm pregant -- and she has me continuing on the diet- only doing the brewer's diet -- along with two tablets of milk thistle every day , three times a day. 8 glasses of water a day. I haven't noticed feeling icky like a regular detox-- and from what I understand of doses recommended here mine are fairly high, but the first week on the milk thistle I had mild symptoms -- and today this morning I have had no sickness at all --about two weeks of being on it-- I'm about 8 wks pregnant. Her course of action is to continue the dosing as she said-- untill all symptoms are gone -- then go an extra week or so-- and stop the milk thistle. I am shocked at how well it is working. Shocked !! and SOo excited at the thought of a misery free pregnancy. I am also breastfeeding currently my two yr. old-- which she says is fine.. in my own research I have found that milk thistle is rated B for pregnancy so a rather safe herb. And everything I have access to says the same to me-- I would be happy to provide a more medical description of how the milk thistle works or also what books I have looked it up in and what they said, as my tendency is to do research on anything I take especially when pregnant. I'm just so exited that it appears to be working as I was truly dreading being pregnant.
Laura in CO


I cannot tell you how much this post and all of the ones above on this thread excite me!!! We have had 2 babies, 07 and '10 and moderate to severe HG with both. Lost 10% of already small body weight on the last one. Was on Zofran...I refuse to be hospitalized, but in retrospect should have done something on the last one (every hour for 3 months I just tried to NOT go to the hospital, and it felt like it took two months to get hydrated again after the HG ended.) Then as I posted in the polling forum, I realized this year I have postpartum thyroiditis, but more importantly, I have had hypoglycemia all my adult life but didn't know it. Don't know if relevant but I see you listed this above. I am sure my liver was in terrible shape as I really had a sugar addiction and my blood tests that diagnosed the postpartum hyperthyroiditis had my sugar at pre-diabetic levels.

As a result of the hypoglycemia we have read tons of books on nutrition, gone off the standard American diet (SAD) and now our whole family, including baby (and both extended families too) are drinking green smoothies as a meal supplement every day with incredible results in our energy and health. It's been about 6 months now of doing it every day. Highly recommend Robyn Openshaw's Green Smoothie book, if your interested in smoothies. What is exciting is that almost everything mentioned in the detox is what we put in the smoothies already! I pick dandelions outside and put those in just to save money, didn't realize what a liver booster it is. Beets, flaxseeds, and all types of other wonderful things can be thrown in and the berries we put in covers up all the tastes.

We no longer regularly eat any white sugar (or any sugar) except agave or stevia, or what comes through fruits, though on weekends and at parties we occasionally indulge (and I do pay a price!!) But our daily routine does not include this or any processed foods, no white flour or pasta or rice, everything is wheat or brown. It's been surprisingly easy, especially once we started the smoothies. My husband has had some marked improvements in his health.

The question is, will this help if we get pregnant again? Holding on to hope... I can't wait to read thoroughly every link on this thread! I wonder if there is a way to get the milk thistle in the smoothie.

Thank you all who have posted in this thread!

{I have a poll in the other polling area about hypoglycemia, I hope everyone will look at it. I am dying to know how many HGers have suffered from this knowingly or not.}
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